A Scoop of Risk, Squishy Not Crunchy!
Featuring
Jason Leuenberger
In this episode, Jason Leuenberger—Leadership and Team Coach—dives into the softer side of GRC. With 20+ years of experience, he unpacks why communication, empathy, and trust are just as critical as controls and checklists. If you think risk is all crunch, Jason’s here to add the squish.


Jason Leuenberger
Founder and Principal, Kinko LLC
A Scoop of Risk, Squishy Not Crunchy!
A Scoop of Risk, Squishy Not Crunchy!
Welcome to the first episode of Risk Grustlers podcast! In this episode, we walk through the journey of Davis Hake, who is the co-founder of Resilience – a pioneering cyber risk solution company based in New York City, which is redefining how companies think of the ‘economics’ of risk management.


Description
Risk management isn’t all crunchy and rigid – and that’s coming from someone who’s been there, done that. Jason has been immersed in the crunchy approach towards GRC for the past 20 years, deep into technical domains, and now he’s sharing why the softer side of GRC may be the hidden gold mine no one’s paying attention to.
GRC teams and individuals deal with several professional difficulties, fears, and uncertainties that impact their risk decisions. But what is being done about it?
Oftentimes, GRC professionals on the crunchy side have to carry out softer tasks that require things like behavior changes across teams, which in turn require steps to be taken. What does the bridge between this gap look like?
Join us as we learn about what the soft and squishy side of GRC entails with Jason and also understand the impact his organization – kinkou.org has been having on bringing this soft side to a new light.
You can also reach out to Jason directly at jason@kinkou.org to learn more about his services.
Highlights from the episode
- Making GRC less about checklists and more about people.
- Getting real participation from teams, not just sign-offs.
- Combining structure with empathy to build stronger security programs
“We've been sticking to the crunchy side for far too long, overlooking the human and emotional aspect of our work. And let's face it, risk and fear aren't anyone's favorite topics. We need to adjust ourselves to create a warmer, more productive collaboration where we can make real progress together.”